Suggestion make PC casted raise dead take less XP from raised person

V-Rage

Its not free, it takes a diamond which costs about 1300.

Its up to the cleric if they charge extra on top of that or want favours etc

Strife and Discord

@zool said in Suggestion make PC casted raise dead take less XP from raised person:

Makes sense for there to be a bonus of some kind of using PC clerics.

I don't think XP is the way to go.

If there is already a gold one, that's... fine, but should probly not be able to be free. That's mental.

Two possible things that can be done:

Tie it to some piety system that requires the Priest to maintain it(Like a Piety counter) and when the Cleric performs the miracle of raising someone, that Piety counter is deducted. So next time the Priest might not be able to raise the dead person(Or multiple people) without rebuilding their piety points up.
Second option can be to apply to the priest temporary(Perhaps for several hours) spell failure 100% after they raised someone - To emulate them being drained after this miracle.

toportime

@strife-and-discord said in Suggestion make PC casted raise dead take less XP from raised person:

Tie it to some piety system that requires the Priest to maintain it(Like a Piety counter) and when the Cleric performs the miracle of raising someone, that Piety counter is deducted. So next time the Priest might not be able to raise the dead person(Or multiple people) without rebuilding their piety points up.

Maybe make it tied to how often you cast your domain slots. Each casting from a Domain slot gives you x Piety, That gives you incentive to use your domain magic and help differentiate the various faiths based by Domain.

Not sure if it is possible, just a suggestion.

V-Rage

@strife-and-discord

This would make PC clerics objectively worse, the issue is right now there is little benefit to being raised by a PC cleric, if you have the money you can go to NPCs and get resurrection cast and lose less XP.

Dire Rabbit

Strongly against applying a numerical value to something as subjective as faith and the practice thereof. Especially not for something so mechanically necessary.

Strife and Discord

Then the only recourse will be to make resurrection harder to access. Especially if the team decides not to match PC raise dead to NPC resurrection in terms of XP penalty.

Echo

My PERSONAL opinion (not necessarily that of the Team) is that the XP loss isnt enough (it's only 15% on respawn, 10% on raise, and 5% on resurrection) and the GP cost isnt enough. 2500 for resurrection is nothing when I see people walking around with 80-100K. If you want PC raise dead to take less XP then there has to be a shift to make the others higher.

Pancake

@echo

I agree with this.

Death penalties are very weak at the moment.

Prof. Misclick

@echo said in Suggestion make PC casted raise dead take less XP from raised person:

My PERSONAL opinion (not necessarily that of the Team) is that the XP loss isnt enough (it's only 15% on respawn, 10% on raise, and 5% on resurrection) and the GP cost isnt enough. 2500 for resurrection is nothing when I see people walking around with 80-100K. If you want PC raise dead to take less XP then there has to be a shift to make the others higher.

I’ll add my PERSONAL opinion and agree with 👆

Chomperchomp

@echo

+1

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of PC cleric raises having an advantage. I just think that advantage should be obtained via nerfing NPC rezzes.

O-louth

@chomperchomp @Echo @Prof-Misclick
Back in the day, you could get a TR for about 10k. Id make ressurection could around that. As a SERIOUS Gold sink, and something you would need everyone to “offer gold to”.

Also yes. Up the EXP penalty Big time. I wouldnt mind it double what it is now.

Strife and Discord

I would probably suggest also making Raise dead and Ressurection penalty rises the more time it takes you to get someone to a priest(Until it caps at 15%). Or even stop being available after X time.

This could also force players to consider going to a player to be raised.

gDarDog

lets go back to the old xp penalty for deaths, its never been easier to level up.

TheMinionOfArabel

@strife-and-discord said in Suggestion make PC casted raise dead take less XP from raised person:

I would probably suggest also making Raise dead and Ressurection penalty rises the more time it takes you to get someone to a priest(Until it caps at 15%). Or even stop being available after X time.

This could also force players to consider going to a player to be raised.

This would punish people too much, I think. Especially those in quiet time zone where there is no PC priests, or those who are playing late and at some point need to go to bed and wait for a raise the next day. Let's not punish people because of RL, pretty please.

Bringing back TR at a very high price (15k+) would be a good gold sink.
Raise dead at 2k and resu at 4k?

Personally I find the % of xp taken fine. With respawn, you almost always lose a level. But then I Don't quest that much. If it get changed, please make sure it is still worth it to get raised xp wise, with all the hassles that comes with it getting a raise. (quiet TZ again... sometimes you are stuck waiting a while before someone can raise you...)

SpiffyMeister

Or people can respawn and we remove NPC raises entirely, and disable raise dead from PC clerics.

Equality for all!

I dunno, I feel like bringing the dead back to life should be a substantial miracle that entire religions develop a following over. <_<

Dire Rabbit

We presumably play this game to enjoy ourselves.

Making death more punishing isn't really enjoyable when everyone wants to push conflict and 'might makes right' in the server. You just wind up stratifying things to mechanical power- again.

A Former User

The other extreme would be to just to let everybody start at lvl10, while keeping the level cap at 10 as well. That would eliminate a lot of the mechanical differences - though I do not think it would be fun. Personally, I think I would prefer a sort of normal distribution around lvl 7-8, which I think is defined somewhere as the typical level of this server. It is possible to get to that level range without too much pain from dying, I think.

V-Rage

I brought the suggestion up over something that happened on a DM spiced quest a few days back.

some people died and my PC offered to raise them for the diamond bought and praise to my clerics god, However one of them asked OOC to be taken to an NPC and ressurected since they had plenty of gold and they'd lose less XP.

Maybe the price on ressurection can be raised a fair bit or something, so its not just the outright better choice

SpiffyMeister

@v-rage tell them no, take their gold, and go party.

Zolm

So how much is a raise now? considering ressurect is out at 1ok gold.Also whoever made respawn take 30% of your exp you are evil, sir.