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Make brew potion and craft wand learnable In Game

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    SpiffyMeister
    last edited by 19 Apr 2021, 20:38

    On a low level server, players are feat starved. This is by design, forcing them to specialize and work towards being good at one thing versus everything that epic levels allow.

    Thus I propose the brewing/crafting feats be purchased from an NPC at various hubs and thus permit players to make supplies and potions to aid in their concepts and thus promote a player economy.

    Puffy's bumbling Scum-goblin minion.

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      Valkyrie
      last edited by 19 Apr 2021, 20:40

      Ooo

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        Man in the Mist
        last edited by 19 Apr 2021, 20:48

        No.

        I had visions, I was in them;
        I was looking into the mirror,
        to see a little bit clearer,
        the rottenness and evil in me.

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          SpiffyMeister @Man in the Mist
          last edited by 19 Apr 2021, 20:49

          @Man-in-the-Mist stop being immature

          Puffy's bumbling Scum-goblin minion.

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            CitizenBane
            last edited by 19 Apr 2021, 20:50

            +1
            Great idea

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              V-Rage
              last edited by 19 Apr 2021, 20:50

              I support this,

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                Acemvi
                last edited by 19 Apr 2021, 20:50

                Every game design choice endorsed by me is correct, and I endorse this one.

                "Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal." - Albert Camus

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                  DracoS
                  last edited by 19 Apr 2021, 20:52

                  +1 here.

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                    Ruler
                    last edited by 19 Apr 2021, 20:53

                    I like this idea, may be worth considering it being bought via prestige points instead of gold.

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                      lunatichigh
                      last edited by 19 Apr 2021, 20:53

                      I think the general consensus is that this is a good idea.

                      +1

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                        SpiffyMeister @Ruler
                        last edited by 19 Apr 2021, 20:55

                        @Ruler said in Make brew potion and craft wand learnable In Game:

                        I like this idea, may be worth considering it being bought via prestige points instead of gold.

                        I like this.

                        Puffy's bumbling Scum-goblin minion.

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                          Zool
                          last edited by 20 Apr 2021, 01:53

                          Nah.

                          These are feats certain classes can take, and it is in place of learning other things.
                          This would end up making every caster class a crafter of wands and potions, instead of it being reserved for those who make the decision to sacrifice a powerful feat in it's place.

                          This is fine.

                          > !!!MOLES for the MOLE GOD!!!

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                            Zool
                            last edited by Zool 20 Apr 2021, 02:35

                            Unless the idea was to make any class able to buy these feats, so fighters could brew potions.

                            In which case, there's no limit on supply, it would be mad to not buy these feats as a matter of course for any character, theres no player economy there, everyone makes their own stuff, why buy it from anyone when you can make it yourself for cost?

                            If it's casters only, then this is just giving casters two more feats. Ain't it?

                            > !!!MOLES for the MOLE GOD!!!

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                              Wulfric
                              last edited by Wulfric 20 Apr 2021, 04:57

                              Since we have recently many players onboard we can start some player economy.

                              The only question I would ask is how much time making a potion would take?
                              If you are imbuing, you are subjecting yourself to a gold and XP loss. If you are crafting, that needs lots of adventuring and try-catching.
                              Probably crafting is significantly more time-consuming. Whatever you can't do by a feat you most probably can do via crafting - for significantly more time though.

                              I do agree that we are "feat starved" but I would say that if you invest in the "Brew Potion" or "Craft Wand" feat to "avoid" the time consuming crafting of potions and such (via alchemy, brewing, etc.), that's about just right to have one (or two) feat consumed for the amount of time you save!
                              I think the system we have now is perfectly alright for balance and needs no modification (at least in this scope)

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                                CitizenBane @Zool
                                last edited by CitizenBane 20 Apr 2021, 06:12

                                @Zool said in Make brew potion and craft wand learnable In Game:

                                Unless the idea was to make any class able to buy these feats, so fighters could brew potions.

                                In which case, there's no limit on supply, it would be mad to not buy these feats as a matter of course for any character, theres no player economy there, everyone makes their own stuff, why buy it from anyone when you can make it yourself for cost?

                                If it's casters only, then this is just giving casters two more feats. Ain't it?

                                This system is in place on EfU and works very well. As long as you can cast the spell you can make the potion/wand of said spell (as long as wand/potions of it can be created). It's really good and a nice goldsink and encourages player economy.

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                                  V-Rage
                                  last edited by 20 Apr 2021, 10:30

                                  I mean fighters could by them, they'd just be useless since they can't cast spells.

                                  on EfU buying brew potion costs like 1000 and wand is about 10000.

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                                    Echo
                                    last edited by Echo 20 Apr 2021, 11:50

                                    @V-Rage said in Make brew potion and craft wand learnable In Game:

                                    I mean fighters could by them, they'd just be useless since they can't cast spells.

                                    This. It's just dumb.

                                    @Zool said in Make brew potion and craft wand learnable In Game:

                                    If it's casters only, then this is just giving casters two more feats. Ain't it?

                                    This. We're not giving anyone more feats.

                                    "You can complain if you weren't asked; you can't complain if you were asked but didn't contribute." ~ Professor.

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                                      Zool
                                      last edited by 20 Apr 2021, 11:57

                                      Efu has a different crafting system too (I think)

                                      > !!!MOLES for the MOLE GOD!!!

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                                        CitizenBane
                                        last edited by 20 Apr 2021, 12:08

                                        Not really. You can use the feats or brew through this one. There's other crafting systems for other things though. The potion system there is more refined, but the ways to get them are these 2 ways, buy it or use a feat. iirc it was done to stimulate player economy, which was crashing because players had stopped taking the feats for the most part.

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                                          listen4silence
                                          last edited by 20 Apr 2021, 12:22

                                          Don't know if it's possible (or game breaking for that matter) but; Is it possible to group scribe scroll/ brew potion/ craft wand into one custom feat to reduce the number people need to take?

                                          If so, since Wizards already get scribe, it could maybe reduce the XP cost of their scroll scribing ( but keeping the gold coat for that GP sink).

                                          There are already some items in game that give feats. Clothing/ cloaks that grant awareness, belt for cleave and a prestige item that gives spell penetration spring to mind.

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