Suggestion make PC casted raise dead take less XP from raised person

Swifty Willownall

I'm not entirely sold on PC raises being cheaper at the moment without having appraise or getting a favorable roll when interacting with the merchant to buy the diamond. Last I checked the price for an NPC raise and buying the small diamond for a player to raise were both about the same and comparatively cheap. (Less than 2k)

I think it's a good idea to have NPC raises stay the way they are, but to have PCs be a more looked to option outside of "Convenience".

Also arguably, a PC priest should -never- be giving out raises for free, because traditionally this goes against a few reasons.

Someone's gotta buy that small diamond.
Clerics should not be giving out their gods blessings for free. At the very least praises to your god can count as an exchange, but don't do it for free. This is even more important with higher level spells, and I feel raising someone back from the dead is a somewhat big deal, or SHOULD be.
If a cleric is looking to make a profit off of a raise, because maybe the people wanting the raise aren't willing to give praises to the god and instead are willing to pay a tithe, then the cleric will request more gold for the raise, which in turn makes NPCs the cheaper choice.

I'm actually in the camp of death being a bigger deal. I don't think we should alter the exp lose formula, but finding ways to incentivize PC raises over NPC raises is pretty cool. And one of the main ways to do this is to lower the component cost. Alternatively, could also raise the cost of an NPC raise.

Cadiz

i like the basic idea of some benefit for pc raises, but would suggest that it comes in the form of dm xp for a rite done properly with rp to all involved which would mitigate the xp loss for the dead and give the cleric some extra reason to do so with those that will follow thier gods tenets.

Ping the dm channel when you are doing it?

Echo

@sentinel said in Suggestion make PC casted raise dead take less XP from raised person:

@miss_behaviour Agreed, the cheaper price tag is already a decent bonus for petitioning a PC Cleric to raise your buddies. Dropping the XP penalty just seems to penalise those players not fortunate enough to have a PC Cleric in their TZ.

I agree with Sentinel.

Zool

Makes sense for there to be a bonus of some kind of using PC clerics.

I don't think XP is the way to go.

If there is already a gold one, that's... fine, but should probly not be able to be free. That's mental.

V-Rage

Its not free, it takes a diamond which costs about 1300.

Its up to the cleric if they charge extra on top of that or want favours etc

Strife and Discord

@zool said in Suggestion make PC casted raise dead take less XP from raised person:

Makes sense for there to be a bonus of some kind of using PC clerics.

I don't think XP is the way to go.

If there is already a gold one, that's... fine, but should probly not be able to be free. That's mental.

Two possible things that can be done:

Tie it to some piety system that requires the Priest to maintain it(Like a Piety counter) and when the Cleric performs the miracle of raising someone, that Piety counter is deducted. So next time the Priest might not be able to raise the dead person(Or multiple people) without rebuilding their piety points up.
Second option can be to apply to the priest temporary(Perhaps for several hours) spell failure 100% after they raised someone - To emulate them being drained after this miracle.

toportime

@strife-and-discord said in Suggestion make PC casted raise dead take less XP from raised person:

Tie it to some piety system that requires the Priest to maintain it(Like a Piety counter) and when the Cleric performs the miracle of raising someone, that Piety counter is deducted. So next time the Priest might not be able to raise the dead person(Or multiple people) without rebuilding their piety points up.

Maybe make it tied to how often you cast your domain slots. Each casting from a Domain slot gives you x Piety, That gives you incentive to use your domain magic and help differentiate the various faiths based by Domain.

Not sure if it is possible, just a suggestion.

V-Rage

@strife-and-discord

This would make PC clerics objectively worse, the issue is right now there is little benefit to being raised by a PC cleric, if you have the money you can go to NPCs and get resurrection cast and lose less XP.

Dire Rabbit

Strongly against applying a numerical value to something as subjective as faith and the practice thereof. Especially not for something so mechanically necessary.

Strife and Discord

Then the only recourse will be to make resurrection harder to access. Especially if the team decides not to match PC raise dead to NPC resurrection in terms of XP penalty.

Echo

My PERSONAL opinion (not necessarily that of the Team) is that the XP loss isnt enough (it's only 15% on respawn, 10% on raise, and 5% on resurrection) and the GP cost isnt enough. 2500 for resurrection is nothing when I see people walking around with 80-100K. If you want PC raise dead to take less XP then there has to be a shift to make the others higher.

Pancake

@echo

I agree with this.

Death penalties are very weak at the moment.

Prof. Misclick

@echo said in Suggestion make PC casted raise dead take less XP from raised person:

My PERSONAL opinion (not necessarily that of the Team) is that the XP loss isnt enough (it's only 15% on respawn, 10% on raise, and 5% on resurrection) and the GP cost isnt enough. 2500 for resurrection is nothing when I see people walking around with 80-100K. If you want PC raise dead to take less XP then there has to be a shift to make the others higher.

I’ll add my PERSONAL opinion and agree with 👆

Chomperchomp

@echo

+1

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of PC cleric raises having an advantage. I just think that advantage should be obtained via nerfing NPC rezzes.

O-louth

@chomperchomp @Echo @Prof-Misclick
Back in the day, you could get a TR for about 10k. Id make ressurection could around that. As a SERIOUS Gold sink, and something you would need everyone to “offer gold to”.

Also yes. Up the EXP penalty Big time. I wouldnt mind it double what it is now.

Strife and Discord

I would probably suggest also making Raise dead and Ressurection penalty rises the more time it takes you to get someone to a priest(Until it caps at 15%). Or even stop being available after X time.

This could also force players to consider going to a player to be raised.

gDarDog

lets go back to the old xp penalty for deaths, its never been easier to level up.

TheMinionOfArabel

@strife-and-discord said in Suggestion make PC casted raise dead take less XP from raised person:

I would probably suggest also making Raise dead and Ressurection penalty rises the more time it takes you to get someone to a priest(Until it caps at 15%). Or even stop being available after X time.

This could also force players to consider going to a player to be raised.

This would punish people too much, I think. Especially those in quiet time zone where there is no PC priests, or those who are playing late and at some point need to go to bed and wait for a raise the next day. Let's not punish people because of RL, pretty please.

Bringing back TR at a very high price (15k+) would be a good gold sink.
Raise dead at 2k and resu at 4k?

Personally I find the % of xp taken fine. With respawn, you almost always lose a level. But then I Don't quest that much. If it get changed, please make sure it is still worth it to get raised xp wise, with all the hassles that comes with it getting a raise. (quiet TZ again... sometimes you are stuck waiting a while before someone can raise you...)

SpiffyMeister

Or people can respawn and we remove NPC raises entirely, and disable raise dead from PC clerics.

Equality for all!

I dunno, I feel like bringing the dead back to life should be a substantial miracle that entire religions develop a following over. <_<

Dire Rabbit

We presumably play this game to enjoy ourselves.

Making death more punishing isn't really enjoyable when everyone wants to push conflict and 'might makes right' in the server. You just wind up stratifying things to mechanical power- again.