More monsters may be using stealth than is desired

Mr.Moloch

From there, folks, please post specific creatures that shouldn't use stealth but are after Zool's posts here (if any are even). And I'll fix that, we need to keep improving a lot of our creatures, and its easy enough to fix these when problems occur -- and odds are if we have an ogre with stealth, its probably got something else wrong like 10 STR that also needs to be fixed.

jalafoon

@Mr-Moloch

I had a Wyvern attack me out of stealth.
It was one of those fungal wyverns from the Lamella.

Those definitely should NOT be attacking from stealth, as that could be a very lethal occurance

Zool

Adult wyvern has 7 hide and 11 move silent, this is enough to trigger potential stealthing.

Fungus infested has the same

In fact, everything with Wyvern in it's name has these skills

Zool

No wyverns will have stealth scores soon.

Couldn't do anything about "mummies, zombies, elementals, badgers" because the description is a tad vague. As was "ogres"

(I also think badgers should be able to stealth anyway)

Mr.Moloch

@Zool Wyverns should have stealth scores, they're stealthy hunters. THEY FLY.

https://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/wyvern.htm

Zool

@Mr-Moloch said in More monsters may be using stealth than is desired:

@Zool Wyverns should have stealth scores, they're stealthy hunters. THEY FLY.

https://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/wyvern.htm

Makes sense if it's to represent that.

(Maybe in future we could look at something else too - as, perhaps you would see/hear them flying, though I guess that is indeed, spot/listen?)

Mr.Moloch

@Zool Canon the suckers have Skills: Hide +7, Listen +13, Move Silently +11, Spot +16

They're meant to be stealthy, predatory hunters who attack from cloud cover or cliff tops.

jalafoon

@Mr-Moloch

It wasn't fly though.
At least not the way I've seen it implemented.
The fly ability that the wyverns have and I've seen the dragon-men people use is that they jump into the air and as an action they land down next to you.

This was not that ability.
This was attacking out of stealth

Mr.Moloch

@jalafoon Yes, because they can't actually fly in a game without a z-axis. But the suckers have wings, they have stealth, that's how the game handles it.

jalafoon

I have Ettins attacking me from stealth in the Lamella

jalafoon

Also have Polar Bears attacking me from stealth in the Lamella

Zool

Removed the seemingly erroneous very low hide skill as per

https://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/bearPolar.htm

Zool

@jalafoon The ones that will be, are scouts (Hunters), and sort of seem like they are intended to have stealth scores.

Mr.Moloch

Any of this still happening?

LeastWeasel

No, the changes made subsequently have I think corrected the issue.