PfE Doesn't Work against Mountain Orcs

[TuesdayParade]

I noticed that my save vs hold person was only my base save earlier against the spell cast by one. I had protection from evil active. I don't know if it was because Protection from Alignment isn't working against hold spells, the Mountain Orc Thaumaturge aren't evil, or if a DM possessing them makes the spell ignore alignment based protection.

[Echo]

@TuesdayParade said in PfE Doesn't Work against Mountain Orcs:

a DM possessing them

this often breaks things

[Zool]

I don't think DM's possessing creatures should affect their allignment at all.
It's possible this monster just wasn't set to be evil for some reason.

[Erebus]

@Zool

Mountain Orc Thaumaturge is Chaotic Evil.

@TuesdayParade

You're certain you weren't dispelled before the Hold Person was cast?

[Zool]

Run an in game test tbh. I don't think there is any kind of bug that could be fixed from the sounds of it, but directly testing it might turn something up I guess.

[TuesdayParade]

@Erebus 100%. I didn't have to recast after the hold wore off. I keep track of my buffs because I'm very heavily dependent on them.

[Erebus]

@Strife-and-Discord

Tested IG. PfE only provided a +2 against Hold Person instead of the additional bonuses against Mind-Affecting detailed in:

@Prof-Misclick said in Spell Changes:

v8038

Update to Protection from Alignment

Protection from Alignment(Law/Chaos/Evil/Good) was changed to be less godly, and no longer gives Mind spells immunity.
Spell description also changed to reflect it:
When this spell is cast, the caster chooses a target to be protected from chaos, evil, good, or law. The target receives a +2 deflection bonus to AC and +2 to all saving throws. Instead of the vanilla mind immunity, a bonus to the saving throw to any mind-affecting spells and spell-like abilities used by creatures of the chosen alignment is granted:

Level 1 to 7	+5
Level 8+	+10
SF Abjuration	+2
GSF Abjuration	Additional +3 for +5 total with SF
Abjuration Specialist Wizard	Additional +5

[Darlene Te'len]

..you mean all the mountain orcs that i ran across..may not have been evil..... nooooooooooo

[Echo]

@Erebus said in PfE Doesn't Work against Mountain Orcs:

Mountain Orc Thaumaturge is Chaotic Evil.

Scavengers, Scrimshawers and Trappers are set to evil
Warlocks were set to neutral
changed them to evil v8658