Adjust loot/prestige value
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First point is that prestige system is largely for the DM factions, which I agree with. This should perhaps be explained better by DMs, but also rewarded. Most chaotic alignments don't really have a natural faction, except Wild Walkers, the rest are all kind of lawful.
The prestige system should be changed, to help people understand what the factions are. It should be made more prominent. The non-member prestige shops should indicate the factions you are meant to join, put them all in the Faceless Inn and offer light "associate-level" loot that can't be edited, perhaps some limited buffs as well.
For example, if I roll an evil fighter and don't know where Tilverton is. I see a bunch of low-end evil fighter loot in Tilverton shop, I will dump all my possessions there and then get some "Tilverton Associate" level armour, or maybe a shield with a raven on it, and I know that I should be joining them or talking to their PCs. The armour should also be sufficient evidence for me to make it into the Ravens if I apply.
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@joekickass The Ravens are Chaotic. All of the factions have a write up page describing what alignments fit best with them, and you can find the faction gear posted on the forums.
Even for a PC not in a DM faction, the use of prestige can be used to get consumables like barkskin, shield, and blur pots. Otherwise use it to trade with DM faction players for something else you do need.
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@gdardog said in Adjust loot/prestige value:
@joekickass The Ravens are Chaotic. All of the factions have a write up page describing what alignments fit best with them, and you can find the faction gear posted on the forums.
Even for a PC not in a DM faction, the use of prestige can be used to get consumables like barkskin, shield, and blur pots. Otherwise use it to trade with DM faction players for something else you do need.
Like faction bases. Or favors. If a NON faction pc allows me to grab the prestige when we quest, I shower them with love. It means I can get my faction loot.
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@gdardog said in Adjust loot/prestige value:
@joekickass The Ravens are Chaotic. All of the factions have a write up page describing what alignments fit best with them, and you can find the faction gear posted on the forums.
Even for a PC not in a DM faction, the use of prestige can be used to get consumables like barkskin, shield, and blur pots. Otherwise use it to trade with DM faction players for something else you do need.
Ravens are Chaotic? I thought they were LE.
You can get bark from prestige stores if not in a faction?
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@joekickass In bundles of 10, no less.
Farming prestige has a lot of good uses, though some of the fancier stuff is prohibitively expensive for a more casual player to obtain.
A lot of the loot in those general theme stores are pretty worthless to most PC's, so most I know tend to just end up getting the potions out of them.
It would maybe be nice to see some more targeted loot in these stores, targeting concepts that aren't very well supported on CoA. (Spellblade loot immediately comes to mind, for totally unselfish reasons.)
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@joekickass said in Adjust loot/prestige value:
The prestige system should be changed, to help people understand what the factions are. It should be made more prominent. The non-member prestige shops should indicate the factions you are meant to join, put them all in the Faceless Inn and offer light "associate-level" loot that can't be edited, perhaps some limited buffs as well.
For example, if I roll an evil fighter and don't know where Tilverton is. I see a bunch of low-end evil fighter loot in Tilverton shop, I will dump all my possessions there and then get some "Tilverton Associate" level armour, or maybe a shield with a raven on it, and I know that I should be joining them or talking to their PCs. The armour should also be sufficient evidence for me to make it into the Ravens if I apply.
While I totally get this - the reason ALL the prestige shops are literally the same as each other, and don't offer loot specific to each faction - is because the factions compete using prestige for various server alterations (guards in districts changing, potion shops getting discounts, and many other things we plan to implement)
So, if one of the stores has the "best loot" then that faction will get ahead not due to people favouring that faction, but because the loot is good.
I do really like the idea though, and something could probably be done regarding it.
CAVEAT - this is just me discussing something and does not imply anything is being done regarding this by the admin/build team. No promises are implied herein, without, or otherwise. Always read the label.
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@zool said in Adjust loot/prestige value:
While I totally get this - the reason ALL the prestige shops are literally the same as each other, and don't offer loot specific to each faction - is because the factions compete using prestige for various server alterations (guards in districts changing, potion shops getting discounts, and many other things we plan to implement)
I like that system, but the problem is, people will just dump prestige items in the nearest prestige bin. So Council of Twelve just rack up an insane amount of prestige because it is accessible.
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@zool
The problem exists in the fact that it isnt working right now, even if what you state was the intention. The Council get far more prestige points than they rightly should, simply because it is located where it is. Any other faction is, I bet, 99% faction members earning points to buy their faction loot.The cool idea would be to perhaps make actual thematic loot, that non faction members could buy.
- Put in a paladin prestige store in Eveningstar, because it makes sense, that we would want to promote goodness, especially compared to the other factions.
- Make Precepts have sorc and Mossmere (the shop exists already) to offer wizard stuff
- Make Wild Walkers have Barbarian and Ranger loot. (the druids get automatic access to their own shop, so no point adding that here).
- Make Ravens have the cool, awesome, but SHADY rogue gear, and gear with evil undertones.
- Have Summerstar offer less shady, but perhaps simply good alignment loot.
That way, you nudge people towards giving points to the factions that "make sense" for them to earn prestige from.
And I will be happy to create a shit ton of loot ideas for each store, if it is more than a wasted effort.
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@o-louth said in Adjust loot/prestige value:
And I will be happy to create a shit ton of loot ideas for each store, if it is more than a wasted effort
Feel free to PM me suggestions on Discord or start a forum thread in suggestions
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@o-louth said in Adjust loot/prestige value:
Put in a paladin prestige store in Eveningstar, because it makes sense, that we would want to promote goodness, especially compared to the other factions.
Make Precepts have sorc and Mossmere (the shop exists already) to offer wizard stuff
Make Wild Walkers have Barbarian and Ranger loot. (the druids get automatic access to their own shop, so no point adding that here).
Make Ravens have the cool, awesome, but SHADY rogue gear, and gear with evil undertones.
Have Summerstar offer less shady, but perhaps simply good alignment loot.I like these ideas. Need volunteers to make ideas come to life.
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@o-louth said in Adjust loot/prestige value:
@zool
The problem exists in the fact that it isnt working right now, even if what you state was the intention. The Council get far more prestige points than they rightly should, simply because it is located where it is. Any other faction is, I bet, 99% faction members earning points to buy their faction loot.The cool idea would be to perhaps make actual thematic loot, that non faction members could buy.
- Put in a paladin prestige store in Eveningstar, because it makes sense, that we would want to promote goodness, especially compared to the other factions.
- Make Precepts have sorc and Mossmere (the shop exists already) to offer wizard stuff
- Make Wild Walkers have Barbarian and Ranger loot. (the druids get automatic access to their own shop, so no point adding that here).
- Make Ravens have the cool, awesome, but SHADY rogue gear, and gear with evil undertones.
- Have Summerstar offer less shady, but perhaps simply good alignment loot.
That way, you nudge people towards giving points to the factions that "make sense" for them to earn prestige from.
And I will be happy to create a shit ton of loot ideas for each store, if it is more than a wasted effort.
Stores are being looked at. This takes a lot of time and effort so be patient. Also, until recently it was the Greywatch who consistently led the prestige board total. Currently it is the Precept. Tilverton and Eveningstar have their own thing. We’ve also had player sell prestige items.
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Some people also donate to the Palace because they want to support the city as well! If all the shops are the same, then people can donate to the faction they want to encourage. As for the palace being the closest, isn't that just the benefit for being in charge of Arabel?
But more thematic stuff to make the shops a bit different would be neat. It would make sense for the wildwalkers to have druid stuff, the house of morning with paladin, etc.
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@prof-misclick said in Adjust loot/prestige value:
@o-louth said in Adjust loot/prestige value:
@zool
The problem exists in the fact that it isnt working right now, even if what you state was the intention. The Council get far more prestige points than they rightly should, simply because it is located where it is. Any other faction is, I bet, 99% faction members earning points to buy their faction loot.The cool idea would be to perhaps make actual thematic loot, that non faction members could buy.
- Put in a paladin prestige store in Eveningstar, because it makes sense, that we would want to promote goodness, especially compared to the other factions.
- Make Precepts have sorc and Mossmere (the shop exists already) to offer wizard stuff
- Make Wild Walkers have Barbarian and Ranger loot. (the druids get automatic access to their own shop, so no point adding that here).
- Make Ravens have the cool, awesome, but SHADY rogue gear, and gear with evil undertones.
- Have Summerstar offer less shady, but perhaps simply good alignment loot.
That way, you nudge people towards giving points to the factions that "make sense" for them to earn prestige from.
And I will be happy to create a shit ton of loot ideas for each store, if it is more than a wasted effort.
Stores are being looked at. This takes a lot of time and effort so be patient. Also, until recently it was the Greywatch who consistently led the prestige board total. Currently it is the Precept. Tilverton and Eveningstar have their own thing. We’ve also had player sell prestige items.
I stand corrected Sir. And the stores taking time is fine. You know that far better than I.
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If ya'll wanna break the entire design of the prestige system, then go ahead and make custom loot for each faction store.
Have fun balancing them all.
(Ideally, all the chests would indeed be in the same room too, yeah, but that was a bit too much to put in place)
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Wouldn't giving certain groups good loot go back to the original problem of "Why do people only donate to this one chest?"
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@foley yup.
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PCs get to put prestige where they want. There are identical generic chests for each faction so you can support and buy stuff. There are also generic chests in the special position locations so if you want to work towards that or show them support you can. Factions have internal prestige stores for people in the faction to save up and use to buy their faction stuff. So a Greywatch player that puts prestige into the Greywatch chest can use those prestige points to buy from the generic Greywatch prestige store and/or their faction prestige store. (There is not a separate chest for faction store and generic store attached to the faction)
Could there be some more interesting stuff in the generic store , sure. Send some ideas and we’ll have a look when we get to it.
Generic will remain generic and universal across the board. Thematic will remain attached to appropriate thematic stores be they faction, speciality stores, religious stores, gp or pp cost.
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Hope we don't cause I don't want to find some stupid reason to have a pc donate to a faction they hate just because they need that item.
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The whole crux of prestige being on various items is if it's not useful, at least it has some value. So I don't think removing it would be helpful.
I think Hellz makes a good point here in that, maybe some quest loot could use a slight bump to make it more overall useful. Most of the stuff for casters seems pretty solid and there are a few quests with some good weapons too, but not much outside of that.
That said, a lot more people would probably be using quest weapons if there didn't happen to be active crafters who could make the BIS weapons for a price. In the past people used the quest weapons a lot more, it's more just a timing thing making it seem less useful.
I think most combat armours could definitely use some fine tuning, but I also don't really agree with the sweeping condemnation that all quest loot is garbage. A little diversity and a little love to some particular groupings of gear would go a long way.
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Tweaks are being made continuously, if you have loot/prestige suggestions feel free to make a thread about it.
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