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Hillmarch Ogres Difficulty Vs Reward

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    Cojak81
    last edited by Cojak81 6 Mar 2024, 10:47 3 Jun 2024, 10:42

    I think the recent tweaks to this quest have swung the difficulty too far in the other direction.

    Its been challenging the last few times and today I did it with a party of three and burnt through three potions of blur, two barkskin, a shield potion and a potion of aid in addition to being stoneskinned and hasted by the sorcerer who also had two elemental summons. Even when doing all this there were still a few close calls where I nearly died.

    Seems a bit much for 250 coins and below average loot. I know before it was "too easy" but now I'm seriously considering not doing the quest anymore. Deffo needs either a difficulty tweak or reclassified as a "hard quest" with a rise in level cap and a bump in gold/items.

    P.S the chief also now seems to be one of the weaker mobs that spawn at the final fight, which doesn't make a lot of sense.

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      Puffy @Cojak81
      last edited by 3 Jun 2024, 11:03

      It's under review currently, it swings from too easy to too hard.

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        DracoS @Puffy
        last edited by 3 Jun 2024, 17:40

        Might be worth looking at the ogres with the electric flails stats, them plus the elites can be a bit overwelming.

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          Puffy @DracoS
          last edited by 4 Jun 2024, 04:59

          Electric flails? Hm odd, shouldn't have those

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            Swifty Willownall @Puffy
            last edited by 4 Jun 2024, 14:06

            @Puffy The mob in question are the "Ogre Oafs". They're stronger than the Ogre champions due to having 2 ApR instead of 1 but with the same to-hit bonuses, and their weapons do 2 extra electric damage.

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              Cadiz @Swifty Willownall
              last edited by 4 Jun 2024, 16:40

              main issue previously was actually that the champions had exotic double weapons but no feats to use them so their ab was nerfed. if you swapped the weapon for a 2 handed axe nistead then the challenge of the quest would go up loads without a complete overhaul

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                Swifty Willownall @Cadiz
                last edited by 4 Jun 2024, 17:01

                @Cadiz I'm not 100% sure how the Ogre champions work. I didn't know monsters could equip weapons without having the feat proficiency to equip them. And even if they could, a double weapon should be giving them 2 ApR at the minimum instead of the 1 they get. The visual doesn't fit the reality for them.

                Scott Keellip - White Knight, killed by Drow
                Sir William the Fearless - Fearless! and nice.
                Vardix - Black Dragon cultist. Also killed by Drow.
                Nihlos Carver - Fear the Reaper
                Argun The Dawnhammer - Strongman of Lathander

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                  Cadiz @Swifty Willownall
                  last edited by 4 Jun 2024, 17:04

                  having animated them in the past, i know that they dont have 2 weapon fighting etc that would give them the ability to use the double axe.

                  swapping the weapon would increase the danger of a crit and also raise their ab by at least 4, not sure exactly how much they lose by not having two weapon fighting and ambidexterity.

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                    Puffy @Cadiz
                    last edited by 4 Jun 2024, 18:50

                    @Cadiz said in Hillmarch Ogres Difficulty Vs Reward:

                    they dont have 2 weapon fighting

                    Checking the toolset, they do have that feat.

                    I have tweaked all the ogres again

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                      Cojak81
                      last edited by 26 Jun 2024, 13:43

                      Just to confirm I've done this quest a couple of times recently and it seems to be well balanced again. Thanks.

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