[No]Dinoo/Afyola Elas/Tiefling Subrace Application
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Tiefling Subrace Application - Afyola Elas
Tiefling/Paladin/LG/4/Afyola Elas (Which is a fake name, though it'll be her in game one. Her birth name would be Hadley Read)
No special faction perks or background features.
The character will be, obviously, a staunch defender of good, the weak, etc, etc, paladin stuff. I don't really need to go into what should be -expected- of a paladin character, I hope. I've got several years of RP experience, I've read the Complete Paladin's Handbook several times, and I've got a lot of experience both playing & DMing for paladin characters.
I consulted StrayCat before drafting this application, because I wanted to make a character that the server wasn't already flooded with. To that end, she's a Hoarite - A kind of 'no second chances' paladin who is going to act somewhat more harsh than contemporaries, like ilmatari or something else like this. I think this'll bring not only compelling conflict with evil characters / event npcs / etc, but also good interpersonal conflict with other paladins, as it challenges their exact definitions of what law & good are, from someone else's point of view.
Dinoo is my only login name.
As said above, she's a Hoarite, and a Tiefling. She originates from Luskan, and swore herself in to a group of travelling Doombringers after they proselytized that under Hoar, she could find revenge for the being that caused her fiend-blood to manifest. || To touch on this, I'm working under the assumption that the alternate planar origins for planetouched characters are okay - Citing one of the old 2nd edition books, tieflings, aasimar, etc, can come about not only from direct familial relation, but also things like pacts with outer-planar creatures, exposure to planes, etc. In her case, it's because of a fiendish pact that one of her family made in the past. If this doesn't work, it can be altered to just be a familial tie, as it doesn't have that much impact on the overall goal. ||
She'd likely do this by consulting mages, researching fiends, and doing a lot of stuff that could perhaps tempt her to fall in pursuit of revenge, subject to how mean the DMs want to be to me with it. Along the way, of course, she'll do all that she can to aide those in need & uphold the code of Hoar.
I will say also, though I didnt see it on the forum, if there's something that disallows LG / Paladin Tieflings, then the concept still works as a LN fighter, though I think it's a lot less compelling.
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Lawful good paladin tiefling on this one, thinking that may need to change
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@jaysantoku Agreed. Tieflings and LG Pally dont mix no matter how hard they try. They are inherently evil. Best they might get is Neutral if they work hard at it.
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This player comes from Arelith where good drow and good tieflings are allowed.
I wouldn't say that a tiefling paladin is impossible, but its something I'd rather see achieved at the end of a long and hard journey.
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Neit
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I am personally on the fence about this one- I am a 'no' on the app, but...
- Do we want 'inherent' evil for player races?
Let me elaborate a bit.
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If we do, we functionally confirm that freedom of choice and morality are predetermined from the outset and are not products of environment- a person can grow up in a perfect household, receive the best education and the best parentage, and still become 'evil'- for lack of a better word, by no fault of their own, but because ten generations ago a witch bonked a demon or something.
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Lycans are a bit different in the sense they suffer from a magical curse and compulsion- this is a separate discussion, but I do think it overlaps somewhat by the existence of 'natural' lycans. I think we need to revisit how we want DnD morality and subraces to interact at some point (but not now, in this thread).
If we accept this argument, we create a black and white world with very little nuance and creativity- and while we want players to be representatives of their race to a degree (drow, duergar, tieflings are generally evil, etc...) we basically shut off the potential of a good tiefling or evil aasimar as a result without being 'wowed' by the prospect or story they wish to tell.
Certainly, a 'good aligned' tiefling would have a harder time than say a aasimar in convincing others they are good, but it can make for a compelling underdog story- and an evil aasimar can make for a compelling 'grand betrayal' story.
I say we let him play as a lawful good fighter if he cleans up the app a tad with clearer goals and permit him to remake as a paladin by having him go on a quest to earn the class if he is cool and badass enough.
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A bit more to elaborate...
- I think 'inherentable evil' for pc races is a cheap narrative cop out, dm goes 'enemy evil' so the pcs can murderhobo them without feeling bad.
- If we remove this and say it's often a product of superstition and environment that pushes them to evil, the result is the same, namely, evil tiefling, but they can aim to redeem/change and tell a story this way.
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Absolutely not. We’ve maintained no good tiefling and no evil aasimar.
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@prof-misclick the races not being inherently evil is a big
and seperate discussion perhaps worth having down the road...but as far as I understand right now we're sticking to the standard tiefling are non-good and aasimar are non-evil setting. So we agree it'll have to change?
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App is rejected, alignment on tiefling can be done in another thread
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P Puffy moved this topic from Applications & Player Notes on 27 Nov 2022, 11:08
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Meh. The more I read the more I'm convinced this player is not a good fit for CoA.
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