Jim and Tenebris: Rank 3 Druids

Puffy

Tbh I forget they are druids, and they were helping verk access a Grove he had no business being in

Puffy

If they are to get Druid perks, I think we need to establish what they have done for the Wildwalkers

Echo

@puffy said in Jim and Tenebris: Rank 3 Druids:

Tbh I forget they are druids, and they were helping verk access a Grove he had no business being in

This.
What have they done for the Wildwakers, not the Ravens?

Lord_Acererak

Jim and Tenebris (as far as I could tell) we’re enemies of one grove acting against it, using Pierre ( this was how I understood it) who then failed to actually retrieve the blood he needed?

This is my, “listening to conversations when PCs talk days later” viewpoint.

I was not actually involved in the event ;(

But druids can very well be rivals in how best to do things, that why you want an arch druid.

Salem

I haven't seen Jim in days and all I know of Tenebris is he is a wererat...

SpiffyMeister

The two follow and support the Murrain plots. For the most part, it was jim actively pushing the 'great plague' with Ethika playing as secondary leader.

Tenebris has hunted down PCs and attempted to spread his lycanthropey plague. He is an active antagonist working to undermine good people and push an evil view of the natural world.

As for the Wildwalkers...

There is literally zero faction agenda beyond 'keep the balance' and some other tedious dumb boring shit. They have been actively pushing their world view of the balance. As a faction, thee 'wildwalkers' are literally the most bland, dull, and unimaginative of our factions, and the only thing remotely interesting about them are the pseudo-fae-spirits that inhabit the groves and give druids stuff to do outside the city.

That they have been pushing conflict with druids and worked to undermine Eveningstar as well as weaken the grasp of good in the Kingdom is a good thing.

Echo

@salem said in Jim and Tenebris: Rank 3 Druids:

I haven't seen Jim in days and all I know of Tenebris is he is a wererat...

Also this

Zool

@spiffymeister Ok this helps me.

Druids should understand the cosmic balance between good and evil, and work to keep that in (their view) of balanced as well.
They've been hammering on the concept of good in the region, this makes sense.

(I personally smacked up both sides with my evil druid, to make sure neither got the upper hand - but there can be many views)

Man in the Mist

I agree with spiffy. I talked to Jim's player the other day and he had some RL stuff come up which is why he hasn't been logging in as often. He said he'd be back on more often soon though.

It'd be nice to have none good high ranking druids for a change.

Matriarch

@spiffymeister said in Jim and Tenebris: Rank 3 Druids:

There is literally zero faction agenda beyond 'keep the balance' and some other tedious dumb boring shit.

uuuh. We clearly do not see the faction the same way.

Reign in the Helmlands and stop it from spreading
Temper the influence of the Cities on nature
Keep the Balance (which means hunt down everything undead, aberrant or outsider, and just there, there is a ton to do)
Spread the influence of the Wildwalkers (we're the expert, consult us for stuff you want to do outside the city!)
Individual NPC goals https://nodebb.cityofarabel.com/topic/45746/faction-wild-walkers/2

Them seem to be doing mostly Murrain stuff, but poison and plague is part of nature.

Maybe ask the players if they are a bit lost as to what to do on the Wildlwalker side of things?
Jim seems to be doing well with the Poison and Plague aspect of nature.
No clue what Tenebris is up to druid wise.

They can't be the great druid of the same grove though, right? Jim get the Webbed Maze and Tenebris the Hullack one?

Do these guys know about the rotten tree (oak?) that is technically in the Hullack? (is it even in an area??) Tenebris could get a hold of that and take over the Hullack and rally up the lycans in the forest.

SpiffyMeister

I meant there is no end game for the faction beyond 'keep things normal' which is honestly boring.

SpiffyMeister

but we got 5 yes votes, is this approved? Getting mixed signals here.

Echo

@spiffymeister Sorry I had intended to vote no. Honestly nothing about them seems "Wildwalker" - 99.9% of it is "Murrain" and there IS a difference. Granted I've not seen them IG much.
But if they're going after the demon pact, there's no way.

I'd like to see some of the Rotten Oak stuff that Matriarch mentioned.

Man in the Mist

I'd argue the Murrain is doing well with exploring what evil druids are. If wild walkers are supposed to be good and neutral only we should probably make that clear.

They're bringing can nflict to the city dwellers which no other druids have done to my knowledge.

Also the cave of wickedness- do they know the end result is a devil pact or whatever? If they get it I agree they shouldn't be druids anymore.

Zool

@man-in-the-mist they have no clue what the end of it is.

Finding out it's a pact with a demon will be interesting, they won't take it, and it might make them do stuff about it

Zool

They just simply need to be asked the question, "what is the intent, in relation to druidic duties, with the plague?"

And then see if the answer satisfies people.

Everyone agrees that stuff is cool enough fora reward, we're just figuring out if the reward should be wildwalker, druidic in general, or talona/plague related.

Echo

I agree with Zool

Matriarch

End goal for druids is to keep things balanced according to nature, not "normal" according to the commoners/nobles/royalties.
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Big cities can't get too big and evil druid would want to see them destroyed. Goody druids would seek to incorporate nature in them more. Druids in general, good, neutral or bad, would want major wizard (maybe even arcanists in general) factions destroyed or at the very least, controlled, because most of the trouble comes from them when it comes to aberrations, outsiders and undead.

Anyway, that is another debate.

Multitude was a talonite druid group. They tried to destroy Arabel. What's Jim and Tenebris' druidic/wildwalker/murrain point of view?

Zool makes a good point.

The spider grove and them working for the spider spirit is great and I say yes to that part. But we need to know if they get to become Great Druid (as a rank 3 in the wildwalker faction) or they get the grove as a reward for being awesome druid/murrain? If they are pushing the faction goals, the good, they get promoted, if not, reward them differently for being awesome.

Zool

[7:53 PM] Novo Mundus: Hey man
[7:54 PM] Novo Mundus: Got a question for you about ol jim
[7:54 PM] Novo Mundus: What's his intent/motive, with the plague (and such) done with the Murrain - in terms of druidic duties/the oath?
[10:22 PM] gDarDog: Why do you ask
[10:48 PM] Novo Mundus: I'm trying to work something out - (that is good for your character) - but need this info to proceed
[10:49 PM] Novo Mundus: like
[10:50 PM] Novo Mundus: is he trying to do stuff for the druidic circles of the region, the natural world in general, maintain some balance specifically, - is it a personal goal/religious thing. And if any of those (or another thing) how does the things' he's done fit into it?
[11:00 PM] gDarDog: My or Jim’s interpretation of the balance is that it needs to be reset
[11:01 PM] gDarDog: And that the plague is a way of doing so
[11:01 PM] gDarDog: Starting something new by tearing everything down
[11:01 PM] Novo Mundus: Clear the forest so it can regrow
[11:01 PM] Novo Mundus: Volanoes, forest fires
[11:02 PM] Novo Mundus: in this case, plague
[11:02 PM] Novo Mundus: Got it, thanks

Zool

Seems legit to me.

The idea is, clear the way for new growth - which is a very druidic thing to do, many druids cut back forests, or even begin forest fires to bring in new growth and life - this is similar, but with a plague and removing living beings (that are also sentient...)